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15 Oct 2011 20:04 - 16 Oct 2011 03:00 #486 by John Church
F or Bflat was created by John Church
I am studying with a teacher who does not play the horn nevertheless we are making great headway in my skills. I would appreciate some advice on the merits of changing sides on the horn and when it is appropiate. I might work a piece to use Bflat in places I normaly would not and I think that I have the piece down, but after awhile when I come back to it it trips me up. What do you suggest or where might I find some helpful info?
Last edit: 16 Oct 2011 03:00 by John Church. Reason: reply more likely

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23 Oct 2011 20:52 - 23 Oct 2011 20:55 #488 by Ricardo Matosinhos
Replied by Ricardo Matosinhos on topic F or Bflat
I recommend usually to learn the F fingering and then the Bflat fingerings.
When you start to play in Bb maybe is best to forget about F horn for one two months to get used to the flat fingerings. When you feel you can play in Bflat without wrong fingerings then start to use F horn and combining both.
Choosing F or Bflat for a particular passage depend on:
-the intonation of the notes in F and in Bb
-How fast do you need to tongue
-How high
-The color of the sound
-The fingering is easier on F or Bb


Some topics:
-For faster tonguing passages, clear attacks or high register usually recommend Bb horn
-For warmer sound on slower passages F horn is usually preferable.
Bb
-About the intonation you should see the Full Double Horn harmonic series Intonation Tendencies, and check them against the normally sharp fingerings (slightly sharp 1+2; 1+3 & 1+2+3 very sharp) then you will know with fingering will be flat/sharp (I'cover this topic on a a small book I've wrote )

Better than thinking on Bb and F, I prefer to think on a small horn (Bb) getting larger as you use more fingers and increase the tone length
[td][/td]
[td]
Bb hrn[/td]
[td]A hrn[/td]
[td]Ab hrn[/td]
[td]G hrn[/td]
[td]F# hrn[/td]
[td]F hrn[/td]
[td]E hrn[/td]

[tr]
[td]Bb[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]side[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[/tr]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]3[/td]
[tr]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]F[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]side[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[/tr]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]

[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
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[td][/td]
[td][/td]
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[td]3[/td]
[tr][/tr]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]

[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]F hrn[/td]
[td]E hrn[/td]
[td]Eb hrn[/td]
[td]D hrn[/td]
[td]Db hrn[/td]
[td]C hrn[/td]
[td]B hrn[/td]
[/table]


So, choosing for example a larger tube length on the lower note of a jump and a shorter tube length for the higher note might help (but this can be done just in Bb or just in F as well)

Keep in mind when playing on a shorter tube you will need more air quantity to avoid a poor sound, and when playing on a large tube you will require to use greater air speed to avoid a fuzzy atack.
Quite similar to ride a bicycle with multiple gears and use them on different situations.
Last edit: 23 Oct 2011 20:55 by Ricardo Matosinhos.
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24 Oct 2011 05:20 #489 by John Church
Replied by John Church on topic F or Bflat
Thank you Ricardo Iwould like to get your small guide if it was available this side of pond.Cheers

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24 Oct 2011 11:56 - 24 Oct 2011 12:06 #490 by Ricardo Matosinhos
Replied by Ricardo Matosinhos on topic F or Bflat
If you are on the US you can get it from Pope Instrument Repair
Last edit: 24 Oct 2011 12:06 by Ricardo Matosinhos.

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